tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17502166.post4796485500254676153..comments2023-11-20T16:12:28.118-05:00Comments on the unlikely orange: with fear and tremblinggreg milinovichhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04494018362755379449noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17502166.post-56351971914383897272007-04-11T19:57:00.000-04:002007-04-11T19:57:00.000-04:00I think this might be hereditary! I have always ha...I think this might be hereditary! I have always had a problem with "saved." I have been saved from sin and life of destruction and damnation, I am being saved from myself and the temptations of the world, and I will be saved from the fate I deserve if I continue to be a believer/follower of the Christ, the son of the living God. I have never been comfortable with saying I am saved. It reminds me of the pentecostal trilogy "I thank God that I am saved, sanctified, and filled with the Holy Ghost." Man, I have arrived; look at me. I am awesome. I am holy and should be admired, modeled, and perhaps even worshipped. It smacks of hubris in the worst sense. All the old stories warn about humans who set themselves up as mini gods. When will we ever learn? Jesus saved me. I am his. I love and trust in him. I work at doing what He wants me to. I AM not saved; He has saved me. Maybe it's all a matter of the pronoun. Those pronouns are so important! The Lord of Moses "I am the I am." Now that's an I am that I can believe in.cathyqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07054484799586817162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17502166.post-31555141873807627712007-04-11T18:53:00.000-04:002007-04-11T18:53:00.000-04:00bravo. I think you know where I stand on this- but...bravo. <BR/>I think you know where I stand on this- but I'll just say that I'm totally with you (and Paul) in that I'm, daily, working out my salvation with fear and trembling. And as I continue to do this, I live in the hope that one day I'll be in heaven, with Jesus, to enjoy life everlasting. Amen.<BR/><BR/>I've long been a believer in that the problem a lot of Christians have is totally about semantics and how they define words like "saved", "justified", etc.<BR/><BR/>Christina<BR/>ps. really enjoying my cd. thank you so much. so good to hear orphan girl anytime I want to (sung by Karin)Crafty Phttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13770432469384389912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17502166.post-26771591809039518192007-04-11T18:09:00.000-04:002007-04-11T18:09:00.000-04:00i welcome conversation. and the exchange of ideas...i welcome conversation. and the exchange of ideas. and iron sharpening iron. and questions that pull back the curtain a bit and cause us to recognize how awesome God is. <BR/><BR/>i want to be saved from my own pride which would lie to me and tell me that i have things pretty much figured out. i want to be saved from a religion that excludes and is afraid and leads to hate. i want to be saved...<BR/><BR/>greg.greg milinovichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04494018362755379449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17502166.post-88625046436297449582007-04-11T16:02:00.000-04:002007-04-11T16:02:00.000-04:00i'd love to talk to you about this posting. but i ...i'd love to talk to you about this posting. but i need at least a pot of coffee and more time. i will call you can we can get together to discuss this. it's very interesting and of course i have more questions for you. no answers but more questions. i love that god gave us minds to think and love to reason together.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17502166.post-21580815686336245722007-04-11T13:51:00.000-04:002007-04-11T13:51:00.000-04:00actually, in the emergent church, the word 'Christ...actually, in the emergent church, the word 'Christian' is basically obsolete. when we have begun to say things like:<BR/>Christian cable channel<BR/>Christian t-shirt<BR/>Christian snack bar<BR/>Christian breath mints<BR/>Christian music<BR/>Christian radio<BR/>etc., <BR/><BR/>then we have completely misunderstood. the term being used to describe a life of discipleship to Jesus is "Christ follower." <BR/><BR/>is it semantics? maybe. i guess it is an effort on behalf of some to divorce themselves from what the word Christian has come to mean. <BR/><BR/>i am not ashamed of Christ. but i am very often deeply ashamed of Christians, particularly fundamentalists. <BR/><BR/>but that's just me.<BR/><BR/>greg.greg milinovichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04494018362755379449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17502166.post-12749742220570007812007-04-11T13:32:00.000-04:002007-04-11T13:32:00.000-04:00interesting. we're actually talking about this ve...interesting. we're actually talking about this very thing at church. the definition of a "Christian" has gotten so watered down that most Americans are "Christians" but that doesn't mean a thing. we're working through the definition of a Christian right now - or what it means to really be saved. A Christian has a story - a miraculous, i was this way, now i'm this way story (and many stories after that one from experiencing God) everything the Bible says about us - signs and wonders follow us, we're walking miracles. it's been eye opening to really dig in and think about this for the first time in a LONG time.Kerri Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07619880643551584305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17502166.post-55335494443006510492007-04-10T18:52:00.000-04:002007-04-10T18:52:00.000-04:00Hey!Thanks for stopping by, and especially for you...Hey!<BR/><BR/>Thanks for stopping by, and especially for your kind words. I do really enjoy to think and write about what I'm thinking, so I'm glad they can be meaningful to others.<BR/><BR/>I just wanted to say I really enjoyed your post from today. Maybe it'll stir up mixed emotions people, but I think it's so valuable. The "saved" and "in vs. out" thing is something I struggle not to be frustrated with.<BR/><BR/>The past few days I've been thinking more about our last conversation over lunch, and you addressed a couple questions I meant to call and ask you about.<BR/><BR/>Thank you for your continued encouragement and support, you are an important friend and mentor.<BR/><BR/>See you soon.<BR/><BR/>EricErichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08939447995382433917noreply@blogger.com